{"id":184170,"date":"2025-12-30T10:01:00","date_gmt":"2025-12-30T15:01:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/?p=184170"},"modified":"2025-12-29T18:48:34","modified_gmt":"2025-12-29T23:48:34","slug":"repod-s10e13-lisa-spira-the-state-of-escapes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/2025\/12\/30\/repod-s10e13-lisa-spira-the-state-of-escapes\/","title":{"rendered":"REPOD S10E13: Lisa Spira &#038; The State of Escapes"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><iframe title=\"S10E13: State of the Escapes with Lisa Spira\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=efmsm-19fef1b-pb&#038;from=pb6admin&#038;share=1&#038;download=1&#038;rtl=0&#038;fonts=Tahoma&#038;skin=1b1b1b&#038;font-color=auto&#038;logo_link=episode_page&#038;btn-skin=60a0c8\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/BnR6c4vqu4Y?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">&#8220;\u200aI love shining a light on escape room creators and telling their stories.&#8221;<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>For the last 10 years, Lisa Spira of Room Escape Artist has been tracking the growth of the US Escape Room industry and publishing industry reports. For our Season 10 finale episode, Lisa joins us to talk about this year&#8217;s annual report.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>New this year is a collaboration with previous REPOD sponsor <a href=\"https:\/\/morty.app\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Morty<\/a>, an app that tracks individual games as well as escape room companies. Through this collaboration, Lisa was able to look at additional metrics, including revenue.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The 2025 Industry report is available on the Room Escape Artist website, and Lisa shares deeper analysis on this episode.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-large\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" data-attachment-id=\"189579\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/hero-repod-s10e13-state-of-the-escape\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Hero-REPOD-S10E13-state-of-the-escape.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"1280,720\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Hero REPOD S10E13 state of the escape\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Hero-REPOD-S10E13-state-of-the-escape-1024x576.jpg\" src=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Hero-REPOD-S10E13-state-of-the-escape-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"woman with in cream blazer and black t-shirt, blonde curly hair and glasses smiling next to man with short dark hair, glasses and goatee, in tan blazer and black t-shirt\" class=\"wp-image-189579\" srcset=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Hero-REPOD-S10E13-state-of-the-escape-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Hero-REPOD-S10E13-state-of-the-escape-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Hero-REPOD-S10E13-state-of-the-escape-150x84.jpg 150w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Hero-REPOD-S10E13-state-of-the-escape-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Hero-REPOD-S10E13-state-of-the-escape-600x338.jpg 600w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Hero-REPOD-S10E13-state-of-the-escape.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Some interesting trends noted include consolidation of ownership, and expansion of immersive gaming business models. We also talk about some interesting stats, including which days might be better for an escape room company to go dark; it&#8217;s not what you would expect!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We close out the episode with some musings on exciting new design trends in escape room design, trends we don&#8217;t care for, and where we think the escape room industry is headed. Whether you&#8217;re an escape room owner, aspiring to work in the escape room industry, work in the immersive entertainment field, or just a data-loving enthusiast, the REA US Escape Room Industry Report is a must-read.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This is the last episode of Season 10. Thanks so much for listening. We&#8217;ll be back with a new season of REPOD in the spring of 2026. Meanwhile, consider joining our <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/c\/roomescapeartist\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Patreon<\/a> for access to our library of Bonus Aftershows and Spoilers Club episodes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"thank-you-to-our-sponsors\">Thank You to Our Sponsors<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>We are immensely grateful to our sponsors this season: REA Patreon Backers, PG&#8217;s Playhouse, Buzzshot, and COGS. We truly appreciate your support of our mission to promote and improve the immersive gaming community.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-28f84493 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\">\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full has-lightbox\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"800\" height=\"799\" data-attachment-id=\"181964\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/rea-patreon-membership\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/REA-Patreon-Membership.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"800,799\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"REA-Patreon-Membership\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/REA-Patreon-Membership.jpg\" src=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/REA-Patreon-Membership.jpg\" alt=\"Text reads, &quot;REA Patreon Membership&quot; Image depicts Room Escape Artist's blue concentric puzzle logo with a pop art aesthetic.\" class=\"wp-image-181964\" srcset=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/REA-Patreon-Membership.jpg 800w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/REA-Patreon-Membership-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/REA-Patreon-Membership-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/REA-Patreon-Membership-768x767.jpg 768w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/REA-Patreon-Membership-600x599.jpg 600w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/REA-Patreon-Membership-100x100.jpg?crop=1 100w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-vertically-aligned-center is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:66.66%\">\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading has-medium-font-size has-custom-lineheight mb-0 pb-0 mt-0 pt-0\" id=\"morty-app\" style=\"line-height:1;font-size:51px\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/c\/roomescapeartist\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Support Room Escape Artist on Patreon<\/a><\/h1>\n\n\n\n<p>Love escape rooms as much as we do? At <em>Room Escape Artist<\/em>, we\u2019ve been analyzing, reviewing, and exploring the world of immersive games since 2014. We help players find the best experiences, and push the industry forward with well-researched, rational, and reasonably humorous escape room and immersive gaming content and events.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>By becoming a Patreon supporter, you&#8217;re not just backing a blog \u2014 you&#8217;re fueling a mission to make the escape room and immersive gaming community stronger, more thoughtful, and more connected. You can also access exclusive Patreon content such as the Bonus Aftershow, Spoilers Club, and get early access to escape room Tour tickets and REA articles.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"mb-0 pb-0 mt-0 pt-0\">Your Patreon support goes toward our mission: paying our contributors, funding our infrastructure, and supporting deep research and industry advocacy.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-28f84493 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\">\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full has-lightbox\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"2261\" height=\"2261\" data-attachment-id=\"183709\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/2026\/03\/10\/repod-season-10-key-moments-editors-choice-by-steve-ewing\/pgwhite\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/pgWhite.png\" data-orig-size=\"2261,2261\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"pgWhite\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/pgWhite-1024x1024.png\" src=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/pgWhite.png\" alt=\"blue triangle on it's side with text reading &quot;PG's Playhouse&quot; on orange background\" class=\"wp-image-183709\" srcset=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/pgWhite.png 2261w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/pgWhite-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/pgWhite-1024x1024.png 1024w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/pgWhite-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/pgWhite-768x768.png 768w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/pgWhite-1536x1536.png 1536w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/pgWhite-2048x2048.png 2048w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/pgWhite-600x600.png?crop=1 600w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/pgWhite-100x100.png?crop=1 100w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2261px) 100vw, 2261px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-vertically-aligned-center is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:66.66%\">\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading has-medium-font-size has-custom-lineheight mb-0 pb-0 mt-0 pt-0\" id=\"morty-app\" style=\"line-height:1;font-size:51px\"><a href=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/pgs-playhouse\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">PG&#8217;s Playhouse Podcast<\/a><\/h1>\n\n\n\n<p>If you love wordplay, puzzles, and trivia, this is the podcast for you! PG&#8217;s Playhouse recreates a fun game night with friends, all in a short, 30-minute format. Of course, what\u2019s game night without making new friends? We bring on different guests for the different episodes!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Each episode features a puzzle packed with wordplay and trivia, a short chat with the guest, and a segment exploring an interesting topic. I hope you\u2019ll take a listen and play along with us at PG\u2019s Playhouse.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-28f84493 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\">\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/buzzshot.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"663\" height=\"341\" data-attachment-id=\"112962\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/buzzshot-logo\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/buzzshot-logo.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"663,341\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"buzzshot logo\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/buzzshot-logo.jpg\" src=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/buzzshot-logo.jpg\" alt=\"Buzzshot logo featuring a rounded square with a white &quot;Z&quot; surrounded by stylized z shaped graphics\" class=\"wp-image-112962\" srcset=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/buzzshot-logo.jpg 663w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/buzzshot-logo-300x154.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 663px) 100vw, 663px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-vertically-aligned-center is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:66.66%\">\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading has-medium-font-size mt-0 pt-0\" id=\"morty-app\"><a href=\"https:\/\/buzzshot.com\/repod\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Buzzshot<\/a><\/h1>\n\n\n\n<p>Buzzshot is Escape Room Software, Powering Business Growth, Player Marketing, and improving the Customer Experience. They offer an assortment of pre and post game features including robust waiver management, branded team photos, and streamlined review management for Yelp, TripAdvisor, Google Reviews, and Morty. Buzzshot now has integration with the other REPOD sponsors: Morty and COGS.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"mb-0 pb-0\"><strong>Special Offer for REPOD Listeners:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>REPOD listeners get an extended 21-day free trial plus <strong>20% off <\/strong>your first 3 months, with no set-up fees or hidden charges. Visit <a href=\"https:\/\/buzzshot.com\/repod\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>buzzshot.com\/repod<\/strong><\/a> to learn more about this exclusive offer.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-28f84493 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/cogs.show\/#start\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"800\" height=\"351\" data-attachment-id=\"125398\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/cogs-logo\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/cogs-logo.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"800,351\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"cogs logo\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/cogs-logo.jpg\" src=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/cogs-logo.jpg\" alt=\"logo for COGS, the C looks like a gear, and it's white text over a purple background\" class=\"wp-image-125398\" srcset=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/cogs-logo.jpg 800w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/cogs-logo-300x132.jpg 300w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/cogs-logo-768x337.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-vertically-aligned-center is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:66.66%\">\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading has-medium-font-size mt-0 pt-0\" id=\"morty-app\"><a href=\"https:\/\/cogs.show\/#start\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">COGS<\/a><\/h1>\n\n\n\n<p>COGS by Clockwork Dog is an easy to use software\/ hardware platform for running interactive events, including escape rooms, and other immersive experiences. They have plug &amp; play hardware that seamlessly integrates with their software so you can create a show with lighting and sound cues without having to write a single line of code.&nbsp;Map all kinds of inputs to outputs by building up simple logic steps which determine what you want to happen and when.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"mb-0 pb-0\"><strong>Special Offer for REPOD Listeners:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"mb-0 pb-0\">REPOD listeners can get the COGS Starter Set for only $130 + free shipping to the USA. This bundle is usually valued at $257. You can learn more and purchase your Starter Set at <a href=\"https:\/\/cogs.show\/#start\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>cogs.show<\/strong><\/a>. Use code <strong>REPOD<\/strong> at checkout.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"topics-discussed-in-this-episode\">Topics Discussed in this Episode<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>00:00 Sponsor Break: Buzzshot, Escape Room Marketing Software<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>04:12 Big Announcement<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>06:25 The State of Escape Rooms: Industry Insights<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>09:12 Tracking Escape Room Data: Methodologies and Challenges<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>13:08 Trends in Escape Room Industry: Consolidation and Growth<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>20:19 Trends for Challenge Arcades<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>22:27 New Data Collaboration with Morty<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>26:35 Analysis of Booking Time Data<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>28:37 New Learnings from Revenue Data<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>33:58 End of Year Highlights and Awards<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>36:49 Sponsor Break: PG\u2019s Playhouse \u2013 Puzzles, Pals, and Trivia<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>39:05 What Escape Room Should People Be Talking About More?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>42:08 Is There an Underappreciated Game Mechanic?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>46:10 What Do Other Escape Room Fans Care About More Than You Do?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>51:31 Sponsor Break: Cogs By Clockwork Dog, Interactive Show Controls<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>52:54 What Content Are You Most Proud of This Year?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>01:03:53 Hopes for Escape Rooms in the Coming Year<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>01:07:06 What Comes Next?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>01:15:05 Credits<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>01:17:45 Escape the Elevator<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Leave a Voicemail<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Got a question or thought for the podcast? You can submit a voice recording by calling the Room Escape Artist not-so-hotline that always goes straight to voicemail (551-227-7273).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">About Lisa Spira<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"794\" height=\"1024\" data-attachment-id=\"167637\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/recon-25-merch-mug-shirt-lisa-1\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/RECON-25-Merch-Mug-Shirt-Lisa-1.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"1000,1290\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"RECON-25-Merch-Mug-Shirt-Lisa-1\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/RECON-25-Merch-Mug-Shirt-Lisa-1-794x1024.jpg\" src=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/RECON-25-Merch-Mug-Shirt-Lisa-1-794x1024.jpg\" alt=\"Blonde woman in glasses wearing a black RECON 25 shirt and holding a white RECON 25 mug.\" class=\"wp-image-167637\" srcset=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/RECON-25-Merch-Mug-Shirt-Lisa-1-794x1024.jpg 794w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/RECON-25-Merch-Mug-Shirt-Lisa-1-233x300.jpg 233w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/RECON-25-Merch-Mug-Shirt-Lisa-1-116x150.jpg 116w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/RECON-25-Merch-Mug-Shirt-Lisa-1-768x991.jpg 768w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/RECON-25-Merch-Mug-Shirt-Lisa-1-300x387.jpg 300w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/RECON-25-Merch-Mug-Shirt-Lisa-1-600x774.jpg 600w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/RECON-25-Merch-Mug-Shirt-Lisa-1.jpg 1000w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 794px) 100vw, 794px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Co-Founder of Room Escape Artist<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Whether she is editing REA\u2019s content, leading the Hivemind, or wrangling the logistics for RECON or the Escape, Immerse, Explore Tours, Lisa is the reason that everything runs like clockwork. 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