{"id":104685,"date":"2022-03-15T10:01:00","date_gmt":"2022-03-15T14:01:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/?p=104685"},"modified":"2024-12-03T15:24:03","modified_gmt":"2024-12-03T20:24:03","slug":"repod-s3e5-matt-leacock-creator-of-pandemic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/2022\/03\/15\/repod-s3e5-matt-leacock-creator-of-pandemic\/","title":{"rendered":"REPOD S3E5 &#8211; Matt Leacock: Creator of Pandemic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><iframe title=\"S3E5 - Matt Leacock: Creator of Pandemic\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=58bqs-11d10f6-pb&amp;from=pb6admin&amp;share=1&amp;download=1&amp;rtl=0&amp;fonts=Tahoma&amp;skin=1b1b1b&amp;font-color=auto&amp;btn-skin=60a0c8\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/zxPEibf8occ?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>In Season 3, Episode 5 of REPOD, we sat down with Matt Leacock, best known for creating the <em>Pandemic<\/em> series of cooperative board games. There are several expansions for <em><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3KH34vz\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Pandemic<\/a><\/em> as well as the <em><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3JeJKFF\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Pandemic Legacy<\/a><\/em> games, which are stand alone versions of the game with an interwoven narrative that affects the rules and mechanics of the game as you play.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Matt-Leacock-REPOD.jpg\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"585\" data-attachment-id=\"104928\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/2022\/03\/15\/repod-s3e5-matt-leacock-creator-of-pandemic\/matt-leacock-repod\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Matt-Leacock-REPOD.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"1024,585\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Matt-Leacock-REPOD\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Matt-Leacock-REPOD.jpg\" src=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Matt-Leacock-REPOD.jpg\" alt=\"caucasian man wearing glasses with short hair in a white patterned button down shirt in front of the Pandemic game board.\" class=\"wp-image-104928\" srcset=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Matt-Leacock-REPOD.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Matt-Leacock-REPOD-300x171.jpg 300w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Matt-Leacock-REPOD-768x439.jpg 768w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Matt-Leacock-REPOD-685x391.jpg 685w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The <em>Pandemic<\/em> and <em>Pandemic Legacy<\/em> games share many commonalities with escape rooms, including cooperative gameplay, cinematic narrative structure, and gameplay mechanics that tie in closely to the theme.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/ZwCN-cgMu9k?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>It was fascinating to hear Matt describe his game design process and how he approaches it from a user experience design standpoint. There is a dialogue between the theme and game mechanics where they impact each other iteratively. <em>Pandemic Legacy<\/em> is one of David\u2019s favorite board games, and if you love escape rooms, we think you\u2019ll love this game too.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Featured Games: <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3IaMNgQ\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Pandemic<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3JeJKFF\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Pandemic Legacy Season 1<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3tVyA2q\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Pandemic Legacy Season 2<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3i8lYiM\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Pandemic Legacy Season 0<\/em><\/a> <\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"the-mailbag-please-give-us-some-feedback\">The Mailbag: Please give us some feedback!<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>We&#8217;re doing a Mailbag episode where we answer your questions, share your stories, and learn from you fine folks. There are a few ways to take part:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Take our survey<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Leave a voicemail<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Send an email<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Send us some snail mail <\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Here&#8217;s how to do each:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"support-room-escape-artist-s-mission\">Take A Short Survey<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"support-room-escape-artist-s-mission\">Share your feedback anonymously through this survey.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons is-layout-flex wp-block-buttons-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-button\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link has-background wp-element-button\" href=\"https:\/\/www.surveymonkey.com\/r\/repod-season3\" style=\"background-color:#009dd2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Take Survey<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"support-room-escape-artist-s-mission\">Leave A Voicemail<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"support-room-escape-artist-s-mission\">If you\u2019d like to be on the podcast, please submit a voice recording by calling the Room Escape Artist not-so-hotline that always goes straight to voicemail (551-227-7273), and record your thoughts and feels about REPOD straight into the voicemail.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"support-room-escape-artist-s-mission\">Your message should be:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul id=\"support-room-escape-artist-s-mission\" class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Short, no longer than 30 seconds &#8211; it will help to jot down your ideas before recording<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Recorded with as little background noise as possible (recording in a closet, or under a comforter could help)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Start with your name and where you are from<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"send-an-email\">Send an Email<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Hit us up at: <a href=\"mailto:contact@roomescapeartist.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">contact@roomescapeartist.com<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"support-room-escape-artist-s-mission\">Send a Letter<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"support-room-escape-artist-s-mission\">Room Escape Artist<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"support-room-escape-artist-s-mission\">PO Box 683<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"support-room-escape-artist-s-mission\">Nutley, NJ 07110<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"thank-you-to-our-sponsors\">Thank You to Our Sponsors<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>We are immensely grateful to our sponsors this season, Morty App and Virtual Escape Games. We truly appreciate your support of our mission to promote and improve the immersive gaming community. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-28f84493 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\">\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"mortyapp.com\/repod\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"758\" data-attachment-id=\"103024\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/asset-264x\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/01\/Asset-26@4x.png\" data-orig-size=\"1174,869\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" 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get a special badge for our listeners (works for existing users also). <\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-28f84493 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\">\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/virtualescapegames.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"440\" data-attachment-id=\"104001\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/virtual-escape-games-logo\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/virtual-escape-games-logo.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"1200,516\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" 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And now introducing brand-new non-hosted games for 1-6 players.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Discount Code for REPOD listeners:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>REA20 for 20% off a non-hosted game for 1-6 players<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>TB20 for 20% off a team-building adventure for any size team!<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"topics-discussed-in-this-episode\">Topics Discussed in this Episode<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Peih-Gee and David talk about their love of cooperative gaming, which allows for you to play on the same team as your friends against the game itself. [1:40]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Matt talks about playing a cooperative board game called <em><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3N1sZAr\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Lord of the Rings<\/a><\/em>, and how it inspired him to create his own co-op game. [2:36]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Peih-Gee mentions that many escape room enthusiasts are drawn to escape rooms because those are co-op games as well. [3:44]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Matt explains what the game <em>Pandemic<\/em> is and how it\u2019s played. [4:53]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Matt quotes<em> <a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3w2lJhz\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The Art of Game Design<\/a><\/em> by Jesse Schell, saying \u201ca game is a problem-solving activity, approached playfully\u201d and says that idea drives all his work. [5:49]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Matt talks about some of the different ideas that went into the design of <em><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3KH34vz\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Pandemic<\/a><\/em>, including cellular automata, emergent behaviors, and systems design. [6:09]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Matt tells us about how he first conceptualized the game while on a walk with his daughter. [7:26]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Matt talks about how, when designing a game, there is a dialogue between the theme and the game mechanics and how they iterate upon one another. [8:46]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Matt talks to us about the <em><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3JeJKFF\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Pandemic Legacy<\/a><\/em> games and the challenges of balancing all the different installments. [9:08]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>David talks about how <em>Pandemic Legacy<\/em> felt like episodic TV with a story he cared deeply about. [13:00]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Matt talks about the choices they made when designing <em>Pandemic Legacy<\/em> to create tension, hope, and empowerment. [13:56]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Matt talks about creating characters in the game designed to make players question their alliances. [15:18]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>David and Peih-Gee talk about the similarities between the evolution of <em>Pandemic<\/em> to <em>Pandemic Legacy<\/em> and how escape rooms evolved in a similar way, embracing a more deliberate, cinematic narrative structure. [16:40]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Matt talks about the theme of <em>Pandemic<\/em>, especially in light of current events. [18:07]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Peih-Gee mentions that playing games with real-world themes allows players to feel a sense of autonomy and agency. [20:20]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Peih-Gee talks about having a morality crisis when she realized the strategy of the game is to only cure heavily diseased cities. [25:40]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Matt talks about the <em>Pandemic<\/em> expansions vs the standalone games with slightly different theming like <em>World of Warcraft<\/em> or <em>Fall of Rome<\/em>. [25:18]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Matt talks from a design standpoint about some of the hurdles that cooperative games have to overcome, unique to the co-op game format. He mentions the issue of trying to combat a domineering alpha player in a cooperative game.&nbsp;[26:23]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Matt talks about how his previous experience as a user experience designer helped inform his approach to game design, especially with playtesting. [28:57]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Matt and David talk about getting player feedback during play testing by watching the player\u2019s reactions very carefully and noting player behavior, rather than depending on player feedback. [29:16]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Matt tells us about changing the initial design of the game from one deck to two decks of cards, and how it came about because of playtesting. [30:04]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Matt tells us about the newest game he\u2019s designing, <em>Daybreak<\/em>, which is a cooperative game looking at the threat of climate change, with the players taking on the role of world powers. [33:29]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Matt talks about designing <em>Daybreak<\/em> in the middle of a global pandemic and quarantine, and how it inspired him to create a more meaningful game with an inspiring journey. [35:13]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Matt talks about some observational behaviors when watching groups playing a game. [36:44]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>David compares those same behaviors to escape room players and notes that it\u2019s important to create a space where players feel safe contributing their ideas. [38:15]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>David and Matt talk about other co-op games, including <em><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3w7Wpqw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Magic Maze<\/a><\/em> and the <em>Unlock<\/em> tabletop escape game adaptation of <em>Pandemic<\/em> (on sale soon). [40:05]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Matt talks about <em><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3IdADE1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Roll Through the Ages: The Bronze Age<\/a><\/em>, a roll &amp; write civilization-building game designed for short, portable play. [41:30]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Matt talks about why there isn\u2019t a digital version of <em>Pandemic<\/em> online at the moment. 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He is best known for his cooperative titles, <em>Pandemic<\/em>, <em>Pandemic Legacy<\/em>, and <em>Forbidden Island<\/em>, and he has designed over two dozen titles for the international market. His games have won many international awards, and games in the <em>Pandemic<\/em> line have sold over 5 million copies worldwide. In a prior life, he was a user experience designer at Apple, Netscape, AOL, and Yahoo!, and the Chief Designer at Sococo.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Twitter: <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/mattleacock\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">@mattleacock <\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Instagram: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/matt.leacock\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">@matt.leacock<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Website: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.leacock.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">leacock.com<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"other-recommended-podcasts\">Other recommended podcasts<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-media-text alignwide is-stacked-on-mobile\" style=\"grid-template-columns:30% auto\"><figure class=\"wp-block-media-text__media\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"367\" height=\"350\" data-attachment-id=\"95003\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/etp\/\" 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