{"id":104271,"date":"2022-02-22T10:01:00","date_gmt":"2022-02-22T15:01:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/?p=104271"},"modified":"2024-12-05T11:35:40","modified_gmt":"2024-12-05T16:35:40","slug":"repod-s3e2-johanna-koljonen-nordic-larp","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/2022\/02\/22\/repod-s3e2-johanna-koljonen-nordic-larp\/","title":{"rendered":"REPOD S3E2 &#8211; Pushing Boundaries Safely: Johanna Koljonen &#038; Nordic Larp"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><iframe title=\"REPOD S3E2 - Pushing Boundaries Safely: Johanna Koljonen &amp; Nordic Larp\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=h8u6x-11b253c-pb&amp;from=pb6admin&amp;share=1&amp;download=1&amp;rtl=0&amp;fonts=Tahoma&amp;skin=1b1b1b&amp;font-color=auto&amp;btn-skin=60a0c8\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/p_EyzC1LHNQ?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>In Season 3, episode 2, we chat with Johanna Koljonen, the co-founder of Participation Design Agency. She is an experience designer specializing in Nordic larp and an expert in designing for safe and enthusiastic participation. Johanna has helped create some incredibly compelling and intense Nordic larps, including <em>Vampire the Masquerade<\/em>, <em>Inside Hamlet<\/em>, and <em>House of Craving<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/Johanna-landscape-1.png\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"585\" data-attachment-id=\"104430\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/2022\/02\/22\/repod-s3e2-johanna-koljonen-nordic-larp\/johanna-landscape-1\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/Johanna-landscape-1.png\" data-orig-size=\"1100,628\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Johanna-landscape-1\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/Johanna-landscape-1-1024x585.png\" src=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/Johanna-landscape-1-1024x585.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-104430\" srcset=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/Johanna-landscape-1-1024x585.png 1024w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/Johanna-landscape-1-300x171.png 300w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/Johanna-landscape-1-768x438.png 768w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/Johanna-landscape-1-685x391.png 685w, https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/Johanna-landscape-1.png 1100w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Johanna puts careful thought into every aspect of her experiences, encapsulated in her concept that \u201ceverything is a designable surface.\u201d Nordic larp encourages consent-based play, and Johanna discusses how to introduce systems that will allow participants to push boundaries safely. She gives concrete examples of how to encourage participation in very emotionally intense events, noting that \u201cyou have to feel safe to be brave.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The way Johanna discusses immersive experiences was eye-opening and illuminating. If you design immersive theater, escape rooms, larps or immersive experiences of any kind, you will find this episode absolutely invaluable. David notes that meeting Johanna completely changed the way he thinks about experience design, and I think you\u2019ll agree after listening to this episode.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"the-mailbag-please-give-us-some-feedback\">The Mailbag: Please give us some feedback!<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>We&#8217;re doing a Mailbag episode where we answer your questions, share your stories, and learn from you fine folks. There are a few ways to take part:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Take our survey<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Leave a voicemail<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Send an email<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Send us some snail mail <\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Here&#8217;s how to do each:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"support-room-escape-artist-s-mission\">Take A Short Survey<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"support-room-escape-artist-s-mission\">Share your feedback anonymously through this survey.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons is-layout-flex wp-block-buttons-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-button\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link has-background wp-element-button\" href=\"https:\/\/www.surveymonkey.com\/r\/repod-season3\" style=\"background-color:#009dd2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Take Survey<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"support-room-escape-artist-s-mission\">Leave A Voicemail<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"support-room-escape-artist-s-mission\">If you\u2019d like to be on the podcast, please submit a voice recording by calling the Room Escape Artist not-so-hotline that always goes straight to voicemail (551-227-7273), and record your thoughts and feels about REPOD straight into the voicemail.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"support-room-escape-artist-s-mission\">Your message should be:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\" id=\"support-room-escape-artist-s-mission\">\n<li>Short, no longer than 30 seconds &#8211; it will help to jot down your ideas before recording<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Recorded with as little background noise as possible (recording in a closet, or under a comforter could help)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Start with your name and where you are from<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"send-an-email\">Send an Email<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Hit us up at: <a href=\"mailto:contact@roomescapeartist.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">contact@roomescapeartist.com<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"support-room-escape-artist-s-mission\">Send a Letter<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"support-room-escape-artist-s-mission\">Room Escape Artist<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"support-room-escape-artist-s-mission\">PO Box 683<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"support-room-escape-artist-s-mission\">Nutley, NJ 07110<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"thank-you-to-our-sponsors\">Thank You to Our Sponsors<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>We are immensely grateful to our sponsors this season, Morty App and Virtual Escape Games. We truly appreciate your support of our mission to promote and improve the immersive gaming community. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-28f84493 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\">\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"mortyapp.com\/repod\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"758\" data-attachment-id=\"103024\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/asset-264x\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/roomescapeartist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/01\/Asset-26@4x.png\" data-orig-size=\"1174,869\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" 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And now introducing brand-new non-hosted games for 1-6 players.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Discount Code for REPOD listeners:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>REA20<\/strong> for 20% off a non-hosted game for 1-6 players<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>TB20<\/strong> for 20% off a team-building adventure for any size team!<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"topics-discussed-in-this-episode\">Topics Discussed in this Episode<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>David notes that Nordic Larp is, at its core, a collaboration between the creators and the players. [1:02]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>David talks about first meeting Johanna and says it completely changed the way he thought about game and experience design. [2:30]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Johanna talks about expectation management and how \u201cdisappointment is a function of expectation.\u201d [3:24]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Johanna talks about the concept of \u201ceverything is a designable surface\u201d and how to create a physical and social environment to direct the participant\u2019s actions. [8:34]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Johanna uses the example of a party to describe how designing a room for dancing vs. a room for conversation is a choice. [9:25]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Johanna talks about \u201calibis for interaction\u201d\u2014something that will give you permission to do something you wouldn\u2019t normally do. [10:58]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Johanna talks about Nordic Larp, and how it\u2019s different from \u201cboffer\u201d larp. [14:42]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Most larps in the US or continental Europe are constructed around a statistical simulation system that allows for things like combat. [16:06]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Johanna tells us that in the Nordics, most of larps are non-profit, and so they prefer creating one-shot events. [17:45]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Johanna discusses the concept of \u201cplaying to lose\u201d and how they\u2019ve recontextualized this concept for an American audience as \u201cplaying for story.\u201d [23:17]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>She explains that not all players will achieve their goals in a larp, and that the actual win condition for the collective \u201cis that each and every one of us experienced a powerful narrative together and participated in creating it for each other.\u201d [25:09]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Johanna also reframes the concept as \u201cplaying to lift,\u201d lifting other people\u2019s narratives and experiences. [27:16]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Peih-Gee compares this to playing an escape room with the goal of enjoying the narrative and set design vs. trying to get the fastest time. She also mentions the importance of giving a proper narrative conclusion even if the players lose an escape room. [28:00]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Johanna talks about the importance of respecting the magic circle that is created during an experience and offers suggestions for ways to exit it gently. [29:54]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Johanna discusses how players navigate consent-based play in Nordic Larp. [31:23]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Peih-Gee talks about consent-based play in Survivor, and how you are competing with each other but still governing yourself with a set of rules that might be different from usual social norms. [36:39]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Johanna tells us about <em>Parliament of Shadows<\/em>, a larp about politics set in the world of <em>Vampire the Masquerade<\/em>, which took place in a Parliament building, with memos prepared by actual Parliament staff. [40:50]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Johanna talks about an aesthetic debate in the Nordic Larp community over \u201cbeautiful boredom,\u201d designing for those moments when nothing is happening or the things that are happening are boring. [46:30]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Johanna has often said \u201cthe opposite of design is tradition.\u201d She talks about the value of both and the negotiations that take place between them. [48:23]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>David notes that the conversation will cover some more intense interactions, including how Nordic Larp safely and responsibly deals with themes around sexual violence. [55:07] (If you don\u2019t wish to listen, you can skip ahead to [1:16:36])<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>David reads a description from the <em>Inside Hamlet<\/em> larp experience outlining the physical parameters of the game, including intoxication, pretend violence, and simulated but realistic-looking sexual violence. [55:55]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Johanna walks us through the<em> Inside Hamlet<\/em> experience, telling us that it\u2019s set in an alternate history in the 1930s during the last few months of the Mad King\u2019s reign. [57:36]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>She tells us that if there are conflicts between characters, the outcomes will be different depending on which act you are in, and that there are rules governing how much the violence can escalate. [1:00:54]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Johanna explains that because of the themes and nature of the source material, there is simulated violence and sex. There is a workshop on-site, with rules and systems for how to negotiate these types of interactions. [1:01:31]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Johanna describes the verbal escalation and de-escalation mechanic, involving the use of code words, private negotiations, and physical tap-outs. [1:03:17]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Johanna notes that the correct answer to someone stating a boundary is \u201cthank you\u201d because you have been given important information on how to lift someone else\u2019s experience, and those firm boundaries are what enable these kinds of play. [1:05:15]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Johanna describes physical codes to de-escalate a scene or to remove your character entirely and also how to explain it through narrative. [1:05:39]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Peih-Gee describes physical props that communicate whether a player has opted out of physical contact in an experience. [1:08:17]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Johanna discusses the importance of properly setting expectations before an event and emphasizes the importance of being fluid in consent so the players can maximize their experience, while giving them tools to opt out. [1:09:01]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>\u201cYou have to feel safe to be brave.\u201d [1:10:40]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>David talks about the importance of fluidity of consent in extreme experiences because these are meant to push boundaries in a safe environment. [1:11:00]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Johanna talks about why you would include scenes of sexual violence and torture in a larp. [1:11:52]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Johanna talks about having an \u201cingredient list,\u201d which is a list of potential triggers for players. [1:14:47]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Johanna talks about the concept of \u201cbleed,\u201d when a player&#8217;s life spills over into their character or vice versa. [1:16:36]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Johanna reiterates the importance of the magic circle and how to create clear boundaries including musical and physical markers. [1:21:08]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Johanna talks about her current projects, the erotic horror larp <a href=\"https:\/\/www.houseofcraving.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>House of Craving<\/em><\/a> and <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.wildhuntlarp.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The Wild Hunt<\/a><\/em>. 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